What is Ayahuasca and Plant-Based Healing? Steven Eugene Kuhn

SPEAKER_01 0:04

This is the Beyond the Story Podcast, a show that goes way beyond the story. And now, Sebastian Friend Steven Kuhn, what's up, dude?

SPEAKER_00 0:26

How you doing, brother? Good to see you, man.

SPEAKER_01 0:28

All right. Hello from literally the other side of the world.

SPEAKER_00 0:31

Yeah. Hello from Hungary.

SPEAKER_01 0:33

Absolutely. I'm going to ask you how you ended up in Hungary in just a couple minutes here. But you and I had the unique opportunity to connect in the Breakfast with Champions room over on Clubhouse every day with Glenn Glenn Lundy and company. You've been there from the beginning. I'm more of the new guy, been involved for about a month and change now. But quite an interesting environment to start your day with, to say the least.

SPEAKER_00 0:56

Yeah, it's really changed too since the beginning. You know, and remember the first day, the first day opening a room was, I don't know, like a thousand eight hundred people in there or something. Very first day. Well, it was a big deal. Everyone heard about it, you know. So yeah, but sustainability is a is a is another thing. So it was like up and down, but it's it's got a nice rhythm going now.

SPEAKER_01 1:15

Yeah, it really does. It really is. I like the fact that there's not, I think all the way till 8 p.m. with programming was a little munch. They've scaled it back down to 5 p.m. I still think anything past noon is still questionable on you know the the the sustainability of that. I really think it's got that its real mojo is that morning vibe. That that our modern day ride to work, if you will. Yeah, no breakfast. Yeah, exactly. Right. Breakfast at 4 p.m. Tune into Breakfast with Champions at 4 p.m.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

Although it was a weekend, maybe. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:43

Right, right, right, right. So um you and I had a chance to connect in the back channel and start having some conversations um about you know what you're up to and and what you're done. But I'd like to back up for a minute. On this show, I like to talk, uh rather tell other people's stories. So I'd like to back up a little bit to add some context to where the beginning of the story started that brought you to present day with what you're doing. We're we're gonna, of course, talk about uh your experience and what you're doing in the plant medicine world. I'm very much keen and and and and interested in learning more, as is uh a lot of people. I think it's a newer thing that's not that new, it's just newer for people understanding. So let's back up a little bit. Where did the story begin?

SPEAKER_00 2:20

I was born in Pennsylvania and uh joined the army when I was 18 um and left and went was sent to Fort Knox. After Fort Knox, I went to Germany during the Cold War, 1986, um, and uh served there. And then when the wall came down, went to Iraq, came back to went back to Germany where I was stationed still uh for a total of seven years, and I got what they call a European out, and I stayed there. And so I've been there ever since. I've been here over 30 years, including my military time. Um, this is my ninth country. I'm in Hungary right now. Um, and I was a business turnaround consultant. Well, you know, when I first got out, I was a doorman. You know, I was a tank, I was on tanks and I was in a war. What else are you gonna do? Right.

SPEAKER_01 2:58

Right.

SPEAKER_00 2:58

And so through my through my my job as a doorman, I became a bartender and a waiter. And through that, I just kept meeting more and more people until I opened up my own bars, my own club. And then I got headhunted sort of from a customer to help take a um South African PLC or public logistic company to Germany. And I remember he asked me, and I was like, You realize I'm a bartender, right? Like, what are you asking me for? And he said, No, no, no, you can do it. I can see it. And I did it and I crushed it. And then I got head, head, headhunted by a British PLC, ended up running that company. Um, what was it, 87 locations, nine countries? And uh at the same time, I still had my bars and wrote a book and did this and that and the other, and just went all kinds of creative. I worked for Mick Jagger, worked for Olivia Newton John, I worked for Andrea Bucelli all through the years on the side kind of thing going on. And uh I always just did what I wanted, and I never really looked at a career. And so I ended up um four years ago traveling after 20 years, four days a week. And I have two kids, six and seven at the time. You know, they were two and three or three and four. And I told my wife, I'm staying home. Uh, I'm not traveling anymore. And she said, What are you gonna do? And I said, I have no idea. And so uh I ended up going online and started talking to veterans because I'm a veteran and helped them with their businesses. And after three months, I made 100K in revenue without even trying. And I said, Well, I guess this is a business. So I turned that into a business. And now we have um the book, Unleash Your Humble Alpha, um, with my business partner and co-author Lane Ballone, special forces veteran. And uh we coach, train, and advise leaders in business who have made it but aren't integrated in their life as full as the full person, 360 degrees, meaning great business, not so great relationship, great relationship, not not so great business. They've hit a plateau, need to break through, or they need to plan the last 10 last 10 years of the career, and we help them crush it. Paradigm we call it the humble alpha paradigm upgrade advisory program. And is that pretty much put a do.

SPEAKER_01 4:51

Is that like uh like the male masculinity type of uh not at all?

SPEAKER_00 4:56

Okay, not at all. Uh we actually work a lot with the divine feminine. We talk about plant medicine, you know. Um uh we work a lot with the divine feminine because you have the masculine and the feminine, it's a yin and yin effect. If you're all masculine, it's not gonna work. If you're all feminine, it's it's not gonna work. You gotta have a little bit of both.

SPEAKER_01 5:09

You mentioned that yesterday.

SPEAKER_00 5:10

Yeah, everyone does. And when you find that balance, when you realize that the holistic side of the feminine is super important for us to get our, you know, for the masculine to get the job done, then you you can really leverage that to your advantage. And so we're very holistic, but also very task-oriented. Lane and myself are different in ways. First of all, he's 33, I'm 54. He's very, very spiritual, holistic, the whole works. I'm very business-oriented, mindset-oriented. And so us two together, basically, we have a client and there's two of us working with them. So we're always going back and forth between the tangible and the intangible, the structured, the unstructured, uh, the business and the spiritual. And so we're always bringing when we pick the clients up where they are and and carry them with subtle changes, just subtle changes will change the uh trajectory. People think change has to come, okay, I got a break and start over. And typically that's not true. It's like it's like an airplane, you fly from New York to LA and change your course by one degree, you're gonna end up in Mexico or or maybe Hawaii. And so that's what we do, small little changes that make have a massive impact. And we have some great, we have the mayor of New York, the future mayor of New York's um special assistant as a client. We have business owners, business leaders. Um, we got uh in the UK, you know, in Germany, and you know, in America as well. Uh, very, very fortunate to be able to work in with um people who are um, according to society, crushing it, but are open enough and vulnerable enough to say, no, I'm actually not crushing it. I'm not fulfilled, I don't feel great. Yeah, I can buy anything I want. I have a wife and kids or uh or I have a husband and kids. Actually, six 60% of our clients are women, believe it or not. And so we're very fortunate to be able to work them with such amazing people.

SPEAKER_01 6:50

So is this would this fall into the category of upper limit beliefs? Yes. I just got to read the big the big leap.

SPEAKER_00 6:58

Well, yeah, well, you know, again, we meet you where you are. We're we're not gonna we're not gonna drag you anywhere.

unknown 7:03

Right?

SPEAKER_00 7:03

When you're ready, you're ready. It's just like plant medicine. You're called to it or you're not.

SPEAKER_01 7:07

Right.

SPEAKER_00 7:07

You know, no one, no one, no one should talk you into it. You know, it's it's just one of those things, you know. Um, but it's a three-month program, one hour a week. And in those three months, the shift is so profound, most people can't even realize, uh, they can't even fathom where they're gonna end up. And usually halfway through, they're like, wait a second. Uh somehow I have no worries any, like I have nothing to worry about anymore. All the things that I worried about, they they fell away. Because the the you know, the the urgency of what we think is urgent typically isn't. You know, we could we could go through the grid and all that stuff, but you know, anyway, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 7:39

Yeah, absolutely. So, so like let's just say I started today and you know, our my first call is this afternoon. So, what what are some things that I would experience over the next three months that that would be you say you say halfway through the program, the results are so drastic. Help me understand what that is.

SPEAKER_00 7:55

Uh well, you're gonna see that the vision that you typically most people have, they they set a goal, right? And they're focused on the outcome and they're focused on on how they're gonna get there. So everything's like this head down to the grindstone, hustle and grind. You know, we're taught all that stuff, right? And for me, hustle and grind, head to the grindstone are just words that people made up to make you feel better about working way too much, right? So that's that's just one of those, one of those beliefs that we have. And how do I navigate my life, deploy my specific talents and make a difference and have a massive impact and create more revenue or earn more money? And we're gonna take you through this process where suddenly all of these distractions and all of these things that you had trying to focus are no longer distractions, they're opportunities, and it's what it's what you can receive if you choose. So you don't block, you receive. You don't use force, you use power. There's a difference, right? And so we're gonna take you through this process where I just give an example. Ross, our client in the UK, very successful. Um, three different companies in three different verticals, um, three verticals in in the medical space, like vaccines, the whole work's like really, really up there, really, really successful. And after a month and a half, he said, I I don't, I don't, I, my, my company is rolling along amazingly. I'm hardly working anymore because we teach how to delegate responsibility, also the task, but not the responsibility. Well, with a little work, we we teach them how to set up meetings so that they're empowered to do it themselves and actually have accountability. Um, and he's like, I have more time for me. My relationship's thriving. You know, we have another client, Jillian. Uh, her relationship, her business had the best month ever after the after the second month. And it's it's just because you're stopping being distracted, and you're stopping looking and hoping and trying to get the outcome that you think is okay. Whereas the universe or the world as as it is is telling you now it should be different. So we work with three things: identity, purpose, and certainty. So the identity, who am I really? Not what do you do? Someone says, Hey, you know who I am? I'm the CEO. No, no, that's what you do, brother. Who are you really? And most people can't answer that, and that's okay. And then the per, yeah, it's it's okay. I mean, if I ask you who you were right now, it'd be really difficult to say who you really were. But in our book, we we have five sections. Each section is a story, a lesson, and exact action steps of what you can do to unleash your own humble alpha. It's it's not how to do it, it's what you can do. Right. And what happens is identity crystallizes your purpose, and that crystallizes certainty within you. And certainty is the most powerful thing that you can carry or that you can have inside of you, besides the knowing, which is the next step. The knowing means you have no doubt about anything in your life, you just deploy, right? And so once you're certain, you can let go of the how you're gonna do anything because you're certain you're gonna get there. So why worry about the how? You want to have a macro view of the world so you can see all the opportunities, luck and coincidence, and doors opening and people you meet and things that happen to be able to receive those impulses or those those signals from the different frequencies to say, yes, yes, no, maybe, no way, for sure. Right. But at the same time, you have a macro view on the intention of your purpose. And the intention is key because that's where the outcome comes from, right? You can't control the outcome. So the only thing you do control is your personal intention. And you learn things like thoughts aren't real, right? Or some people say thoughts become things, so start thinking positive, right? You know, and but thoughts aren't real. You know, we have a car accident and we think, oh man, I'm gonna be late for work, my wife's gonna kill me, the car is scratched, it's gonna cost me a fortune, the person's probably hurt. None of it even happened yet. None of it. So when you realize that, you just stop thinking in the future. Our past does not have to dictate our future. Just because when I had an accident in the past, that's what happened, doesn't mean it's gonna happen now if I have an accident. These are all small, small, minute changes that change everything. The biggest one, I have to say, is living with no expectations. People will be like, What? Well, there's a caveat to that. If you have an expectation, you verbalize it and agree upon it with the person that you have the expectation with, or you have no expectation. And I gotta tell you, when you live without expectations and you do it consciously, suddenly you're gonna be like, Why do I have so much time to think? Like, I feel like my head's empty. I remember when I first did it and said hardcore, okay, this is it, no more expectations. I don't care what happens. I'm sitting around going, man, I have so much like thought, so room for thought, because we're so preoccupied with what are they thinking, what are they saying, and what happens when this happens, and man, I hope that person comes back to me. Man, I did this for that guy and didn't get back to me yet. It all falls away, all of it. And so this is sort of what what we bring you through. And at the other side, you come clear, clean, crystallized purpose, massive certainty, and there's a difference between believing in your goals and knowing you're gonna hit them. Wow. That's where we bring you.

SPEAKER_01 12:35

Love it. And I I think a majority, correct me if I'm wrong, a majority of this all starts with awareness.

SPEAKER_00 12:41

Yeah, well, it's it all starts within. Every single thing starts within. You know, we always say that um to the degree that you love, embrace, and accept yourself is to the degree that others can love, embrace, and accept you.

SPEAKER_01 12:52

Well, that that's what that's what flipped the switch, you know, for for me five years ago with the self-love thing. I couldn't understand why I was so frustrated and mad at everybody. Like I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to be going through life wanting to punch everybody in the throat. And if you are, it's probably and I I went through a course that forever altered my path and changed my life forever because it forced me to go in and look and address everything. When was the first time you experienced pain? When the first time you experienced any type of trauma in your life and go back to that and just evaluate the story for what it is and not what you made up and continue to live with. But I was the it it was like a flip of a switch once I got done and out of that because somebody said, When you love yourself, you actually attract people that love themselves too. And my goodness, how powerful.

SPEAKER_00 13:34

That's a frequency, brother. That's the you're talking about frequency. You know, you're you're it's just like in the radio. You can you can tune in certain frequencies. The same thing. When you love yourself, you're at a higher vibration than most people on the planet. And that's who you attract. It's incredible. And they're they're the clients that we attract. Matter of fact, we we might elevate them to bring them in, but by the time they're done with the program, we're all at the same frequency. And I just about every client we've had is either a business partner, uh, you know, a collaboration partner, or we're doing something. We went, we went to Mexico together with a family of, you know, my family, Lane's family, and uh our client's family. We did Buffo together. You know, it's like it's we just turn into family because we're at that frequency that you're talking about. You know, people say save the world, say, you know, love the world, peace, world peace. It all starts with you. If you aren't at peace and then love yourself, you can't bring world peace or world love. It's just impossible.

SPEAKER_01 14:24

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 14:24

You won't allow it for yourself. That's why relationships go awry. You know, people, people like, I don't really love myself, but oh, my partner makes me so happy. Well, that's leverage. That's leverage. That's not healthy, you know. And it's just it's just once you realize I'm responsible for my happiness and my partner can make me happier.

unknown 14:42

Right.

SPEAKER_00 14:42

Can contribute. Right. Right. It's not my baseline happiness depending on my partner.

SPEAKER_01 14:49

I think one of the things that really started to shift when I went through this whole big change, I think it was 2016, I think it was, um, that with through this course was that the instructor stood, I'll never forget. He stood up on the stage, he goes, I'm just here to remind everybody that it is all your fault. All of it. And the quicker you realize that, the better off life is gonna be. Because you say, Oh, I had a bad morning and I went here and I went there and ended up getting an offender bender. You probably caused all that because you left the house, you were on what's it called, you had a you had a you had a tiff with the wife or whatever the case may be. And nobody realizes what, and that's where that accountability comes in that we're we're actually creating, and I say that constantly. Sebastian, do you have any final thoughts for us? Yes, just remember one thing. What's that, Sebastian? It is all your fault. And people are like, I don't, I mean, back in my highly offended days, you tell me that it's all my fault. I'm gonna go tell you to go fly fly a kite. But part of that process, too, they they kept asking us who we were, and we had to define who we were, and I didn't know who I was at the time. I thought that I knew who I was at the time, but when I had to write down three words of who I was, they just came out. It still didn't make sense. But if somebody asks me today who I am, and I reply back that I'm a powerful, lovable, authentic leader, that really resonates with me and it's believable by me, which is the most important part on there. So you're you're exactly right. Most people say, Who are you? You they don't know success and all those things. Yeah, I don't think that's the character though.

SPEAKER_00 16:13

In in the first chapter of the book, we do that with the identity. So you come up with a two-word moniker and a and an identity statement. Like my two-word moniker is powerful connector. Yeah, why? Because I connect people constantly, all day, every day. Me too. And I and I inject power into those relationships, ensuring that both are a win-win, always. Right? Typically, it's a three-way win, but you know, uh, that's a win-win always. And I'm always ensuring, even after the fact that I introduced how did it go? Is everything all right? Do you need anything? Can I help out? And it just turned into who I was. And first when I realized that and I actually wrote it down, did I, did I, could I implement it to the full degree that I was capable of? Because before I wasn't sure what I was who I was, right? So it's, you know, people think, oh, you write that down. It makes a massive difference. Well, you just said it makes a massive difference when you know who you are. Massive. Not only that, but your your mission statement or your identity statement as well, it it explains how you interact in the world, how you have an impact in the world, you know, the the the entire vibe that you give off. That's who you are. Right. And when you know that and you can articulate that, that gives you a foundation from which you can really launch into business, into relationships, and much, much more. So it's really key that you figure out who you are. And people have fun doing it too. I'm sure you did, right? Yeah. Like, oh yes, that's me, that's me, that's me. Right.

SPEAKER_01 17:29

Well, it took a long time to become believable. I think with the initial problem, I mean, that you you start doing inner work, it is a messy, messy process, but it's a one-player game. And there's no one, you know, no one's gonna fix you, no one's coming to save you, none of that's happening until you make a conscious decision that it is in fact all my fault. But I came out of that thing 100% accountable for my own life and 100% responsible for everything that happens to me.

SPEAKER_00 17:53

There's a thing that we say as well is that, yeah, it's your fault, but some people have a hard time with that. So, okay, it doesn't matter whose fault it is, right? It's happening, deal with it, right? So, how do you deal with it? If something bad's happened, honestly, like if something bad, like we were in Mexico and something didn't work out, we were traveling, and it's like, and people are like, Oh shit, I'm like, no, no, no, man. If this didn't work out, that means something really cool is gonna happen. So when you have that attitude, no matter what, I mean, we were in Chichenitza, you know, the pyramids at night, um, inside in the temple with a guy that was illegal, but anyway, we paid him off anyway. So, you know, and it was like it didn't go out. The motorcycle guys came, we're like, Oh my god, this is exciting, this is awesome, something's really cool's gonna happen. And it did, I guess I'm not gonna say what it is, but it was amazing. And so when you look at negativity as what what people say is negative and turn it around and say, Well, if this is happening now, that means something better is gonna happen. If something negative has happened now, that means there's gotta be a silver lining. There always is. Yeah, you know, and and when you live like that, just turn the bad into good. It's it's freaking amazing.

SPEAKER_01 18:53

Yeah, I had um I was talking to uh Stephen McCall. Was that his name? He was on uh an afternoon segment. He had he had shared on how he had signed up to be he worked for uh works for the government here, and uh he had signed up to be a support like parent for kids in Columbia and ended up a series of events happened. He ended up adopting both of those boys and had no idea he's a single dad now with two adopted sons. He's getting ready to launch and he has Tourette's and he's getting ready to launch an off-Broadway play in New York. Like the guy's crushing life right now, but he hit me up and he's like, I hear I heard your segment the other day. That was fantastic. But man, you know, and about showing up, he's like, Man, I am so nervous about this Broadway play. And I'm like, brother, everything that you've been through has been preparing you for this actual thing. The stage, I'm gonna speak in from a different angle. That stage is actually your reward for all that.

SPEAKER_00 19:44

So channel the nerves on where it's all coming from because the things that are happening make big deals out of things, and just just from in in hindsight, if you look at everything you've done that was amazing, you're like, well, it wasn't that amazing. Yeah, you know what I mean? So when you realize it, you're just doing you're just doing you right and be comfortable with you. And of course, he's gonna go up there and crush it. And just having that if you have fear, if you're nervous, you have anxiety about something, that means two things. You're learning and you're growing. How awesome is that, right? Isn't that what we all want? If if if I have a task or a a contract, or am I supposed to be asked to do something and it doesn't make me nervous or like you know, then I I won't do it because I know it's just it's not I'm not gonna learn, I'm not gonna be challenged.

SPEAKER_01 20:25

So that resistance definitely has uh there's some there's some information there. Uh that really speaking of information, let's let's segue into this uh into this plant into this plant medicine uh conversation. I've I've done a uh medicinal ceremony uh locally here in Miami. I shared with you too, was it continued to contribute to to me evolving and becoming whoever God's designed me to be. But um there was the the one number one thing that I took away from it was that you know, my practitioner said this this is not a crutch and this is not a solution. This is a tool. This is a tool to be able to tap in where you wouldn't ordinarily be able to tap in. And the problem that people have is that every time another problem comes, it's time for another ceremony. Instead of being able to say the ceremony is utilized as a tool to be able to see what you don't normally see, so that you can then go integrate. And then every when you can say because I think we're living in this world now where it's like this, you know, ceremonies are like the thing to do on here versus you know doing the work and integrating is the thing to do. These ceremonies are are our tools. So let's talk about this and let's help you know our audience understand what what this whole plant medicine world is all about, the direct benefits and exactly what you got going on with it.

SPEAKER_00 21:33

Sure. Well, you know, I've been working with ayahuasca for over 16 years, San Pedro for five years, Combo for two years, and Bufo now. I've done Iboga as well, which I'll never do again. Um, but let's just stick with the two or three that really are famous. The most famous one I think is ayahuasca. There's ayahuasca tourism everywhere. Be very careful who you sign up with. Make sure they have 20 plus years of experience, otherwise, stay away from them. Um, that's just my personal personal opinion. We have a camp down in Peru in Cusco that we go to every year, the same. Same place every year. It's right in the valley, in the sacred valley, in the foothills, right at the Temple of the Moon, literally 100 meters from the Temple of the Moon, Temple of the Frog, Temple of the Monkey, Pachamama Burst Canal. It's all right there, all the Inc and Ruins, the throne and everything, and there's no tourists. Right. So that's where we do our ceremonies. And ayahuasca is the divine feminine and it's the holistic, it's the visions, it's what you're gonna see, what you see, what you want to dream about, right? That that's that's ayahuasca. You take that at nighttime when it's dark. Most people will take it and lay down, right? And they'll go through this journey. But to do it properly, um, the you you have the facilitator singing to you ikeros and ikoras, ikeros, and keeping you conscious, keeping you awake and present so that you can work on what it is that you're looking at. Right. Every time you do anything, you go in with an intention. What are what are your intentions? I want to heal the world, I want to heal my family, you know, make money or whatever it is that you want to do. So that's ayahuasca. The next morning, we take the divine masculine, and that is San Pedro, which is a cactus. And that San Pedro is a grounding force, and that's what gives you the feat and the skills and the ability to implement, create, and drive what it is that you saw when you were up there with the divine feminine, right? So you have a holistic, this is what I want. You have Pedro, you're gonna go do it. And Pedro, we get direct downloads. The name, Humble Alpha, our company name, quality of life enterprises, the book idea, um, our have mission, humble alpha veteran empowerment mission for the veterans. It all came through San Pedro. I had an intention, I'm sitting there and I hear this voice. Write this down, write it down. So it a whole business plan, everything through the plant medicine, right? And again, that's just the beginning. And then, of course, combo is a physical cleanse. That's a frog, the poison. They put holes in your arm, they burn little holes in your arm up here or over here on your back. They put the frog poison in there and it causes a physical purge, right? A physical purge where all of your it secretes all of your your glands in your body pushes all of the toxins into your stomach, and then you purge it out. And then they read it, like, oh, it's green, it's yellow, it's purple. Okay, that's that means this, that means this, that means this. And after that, brother, you feel like a million bucks. You feel like a million because you're so clean. So a lot of people say, Yeah, but I vomit during ayahuasca. And yeah, it's because you're not prepared. There's a two-week preparation process, minimum. No chemicals, no sugar, no sweets, no meat, none of that stuff. Right. And then you're prepared when you go there, also working on your intentions. So that's ayahuasca and San Pedro, the most, the two most powerful ones that we focus with. Combo again, is is is physical. I boga, they call it the truth root. I'll never do it again. In Africa, where it comes from, they use it twice in life, once at puberty and once right before death. And now I know why. I'll never do that again. Yeah, it was crazy. Um, and then um, you know, we have um what they call despacho, uh, mother earth ceremony. There's no plant medicine involved in that, but it's typically in between two or three sessions. And that's where you put all of your intentions on a piece of paper and you have we work with the Queshua tribe, which is a direct descendant of the Incans, the Incan Empire, right? There's only 800 of them left, and we work directly with them, and they do the um the despacho and they build a representation of Mother Earth, and then we give blessings to it, and you have cocoa leaves, and each leaf uh re you know represents basically the three levels, which is the panther, uh, the condor and the snake, which is earth, you know, I guess it's under earth, earth, and what do you call it? Underground, earth, and heaven, or whatever you call it. And uh, and then um you put your intentions in there and then they burn it. And you literally watch the smoke go up and go, all right, my intentions are done. And then they turn around and walk away, and brother, it works.

SPEAKER_01 25:42

And how long are these things?

SPEAKER_00 25:44

Uh Despacio is um, you know, um probably an hour because there's if if there's four or five people, they all got to go up and do the ceremony and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

What about what about ayahuasca?

SPEAKER_00 25:56

Ayahuasca, four to six hours, um, San Pedro, and that's at nighttime.

SPEAKER_01 25:59

So you're like walking around at nighttime?

SPEAKER_00 26:01

No, no, no, no. Ayahuasca, no, but San Pedro, yes. San Pedro is in the sun. You're walking around, you're with people, you're, you know, you don't have to talk and you shouldn't, unless it's really you're really called to, but we're always friends there. So we end up sort of chilling and hanging and hanging out. That usually lasts six to eight hours.

unknown 26:17

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 26:17

Uh, but you're not on like full on the whole time. It takes about an hour to kick in, and it takes about two hours to fade out. So, you know, it's not that bad. And except last time, funny enough, in March we went again. We always go to Peru once or twice a year. We're going this year in March or 2022 in March and May. I may be and uh this this this this year, all of us were there. There was I think six of us, or yeah, six of us. Ayahuasca had no effect on anybody, and we're like, what the hell? Really? Like nothing. Bad deal. No, no, even the facilitator was like, I don't get it, you know. So, but the next day, the San Pedro blew us away. So apparently we were aligned somehow at that moment that Pedro was what we needed and not ayahuasca. And Pedro, I was on it for like 16 hours. Wow. To the point where I was like, All right, I need to come down. Yeah, is there an out for it or yeah, it's a full glass of pure lemon juice that grounds you like that just that just new it's just pH, just new neutralize everything in your body.

SPEAKER_01 27:15

What about ayahuasca? There's no way out of that.

SPEAKER_00 27:17

I don't know. I've never had to. Right. I've I've never wanted to. I mean, I've had amazing serum. I mean, anyway, so to get to the point is this it it takes away blockages, it gives you the eyes to see what's in front of you all the time, anyway, but you that but you don't see because of what society tells us isn't isn't real, right? So you get to see that. And San Pedro shows you your true power, your true impact, what you what's what you're capable of. And you just go out and do it. But like you said, it's the integration because you don't get all this information and write it down and have a Bible to walk around with. You create that as you go according to your own needs, right? So Bufo, we just did in August. And although I've done plant medicine for 16 years, nothing prepared me for Bufo. That was the most incredible experience I've ever had in my life by far. And I was in a war where I had every emotion at the same time. Wow, and this was this blew that away. And the integration was every night for over a month. I'd go to sleep and boom, I'd be back there again. I had one time, one night, my daughter, who's uh six, woke up beside me and was like sitting and talking to me and crying, but like a different person. And I was like, what the hell? I thought she was, you know, dreaming and she was actually channeling and talking to me and giving me information. And I was like, Holy shit. Now we're like this. Now, now we're like this. Where her and I are just so tight. I feel like she knows me even more than my wife. And so all of this integration, and you're always getting downloads, and oh yeah, oh, I see. You're walking through life, something happens, you're like, that's what that meant. Right. So it keeps you conscious of your surroundings. You don't get into the routine of head down, just doing your job. That's what makes life exciting. Sebastian, if you want to have an exciting life, get out of the freaking routines of getting up, doing this, doing that, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Routines are important to get things done, but in life in general, your your consciousness, don't put that into a routine. Look up, keep your eyes up, look for the opportunities, look for the for the things that are being presented to you, be able to receive all the greatness and the beautiful stuff in this world. And I'm talking money and revenue, business partners, and you know, mergers and acquisition, we're starting an investment fund, or we're almost about ready to start the investment fund or finish it. You know, we I own equity in quite a few businesses. It's just because they presented themselves. I don't ever look for deals because it's always presenting itself. Through every conversation that I have, someone knows somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody. And that's what I learned about the powerful connector in me, my identity. So I know who I am. We use plant medicine in order to facilitate the growth and allowing us to see further than we can see with our eyes, if you know what I mean, right? We allow us to say, stim ourselves with the uh with the frequency that is the highest possible with us. And we attract those people into our lives, which bring more contacts and more people that are at the same frequency, and we're growing our tribe as we speak into this incredible, incredible journey that we're on that with some of us call life.

SPEAKER_01 30:10

Where does um what is it, psilocylium? I'm saying it wrong. Silocybin, psilocybin. Magic mushrooms. Where do those come into play here when we talk about plant medicine?

SPEAKER_00 30:18

Oh, same, same, same thing. I'm not a big fan of them. I don't, you know, I don't I've used them a few times, but I know some of my partners in the in the in the states, they use it quite often and they use it quite successfully as well. Um, there's different breeds, I guess you could say, or or or strains of it. You know, one of them that's the most popular but hardest to get is called the creator. And so we believe in co-creation. We don't believe in competition, right? So of course you're gonna compete with yourself, but if you're if you're with somebody, you want to compete with them, you want to co-create something new. Instead of trying to compete for the same thing that's that's old, you want to co-create something that's new. So we always talk about co-creation. And so a psilocybin, at least the creator strain, is very, very powerful in that aspect where you just you really sit with somebody and you're like, whoa, yeah, okay, I can see where we can take this. Yeah, okay, definitely. And so everything we create is is um is new. We're not copying anybody. I mean, everything in that book uh is not theory, it's literally what we live through. Our core, our book has now become a college um as a university curriculum at Forbes School of Business and Management, Business and Technology. It's going to two other universities next semester in America. It's going to the bachelor's program in the UK, and now it's being put into executive MBA for the Far East and the Middle East. And it was all based on an intention. We never planned that, didn't even try to make it happen. It just happened. Like I said, the how doesn't matter because we're certain we're going to get there. And our one intention, our one mission is to change a paradigm of leadership from the outside in to the inside out. You know, and and because that intention is so strong and so powerful, and we focus on that, we use planetism to facilitate that focus without going like this. Like I said, focusing on the intention, your macro view of the world. Um, we're pretty much crushing it. Yeah, it sounds like it. That's just one part of it. That's just one part of it. Then we have the trips, you know. Well, you know, we have we have the journeys to Peru, right? We have our uh events to Peru. We're already sold out for May. Um, and uh we didn't even announce it yet. March, we already have four of four people out of 10. And uh it's it's pretty amazing. And then, you know, the clients, we don't we don't have a website, we don't do marketing, nothing. It's people just come to us because of the the results we have, the people, and we have one, I'd like to say a red line that goes through every everything we say, and that's our five, you know, our five principles that we use in the book, which I would you know highly encourage everyone to get. You can get a free download of the first chapter or two, and you can even take the college course, the first part of it, for free at humblealphabook.com. Amazing. And then you can contact us as well if you want to check out the Peru journey.

SPEAKER_01 32:45

Absolutely. I'm gonna put links to uh both of those in the show notes. That's the description of this episode in case you're wondering what in the world a show note is, so you'll be able to connect with Steven, follow him, connect with him online too. And uh, I am absolutely fascinated with uh with what you're up to, Stephen. I'm so it's such a privilege to connect with another fellow connector. Uh, I was in San Diego a couple weeks ago with Ramon. Oddly enough, of course, that's how tiny this world is. And well, he was here three weeks ago. I know. I know my house. Right. So the week after he was in San Diego speaking at the event that I was at too, and uh, we had a chance. I then I'm walking back after a workout. I'd already seen him the first day, but I'm walking back after a workout in the morning. It's like 6 30 in the morning. He's in a breakfast diner with his headphones on, taking notes for the 6 a.m. session of breakfast with champions. We're sitting across from each other. But he was he was like just flabbergasted at my connecting ability. He's like, My goodness, dude. I said, Listen, for me to not connect people is being grossly negligent and just saying, hey, God, I don't care about the gift I was given. I believe it's my responsibility to connect people. Plus, as you know, I can't help myself.

SPEAKER_00 33:49

Yeah, I'm the same way, dude. We are so so much the same. Yeah. People sometimes are like, why are you introducing me to these people? Uh, because they don't have a line.

SPEAKER_01 33:56

You'll figure out soon enough.

SPEAKER_00 33:57

You guys align, man. It's just the energy's there. I feel it. You guys got to talk.

SPEAKER_01 34:01

Yes, absolutely, absolutely. And I believe that the reciprocation of that, and I I don't connect to get connected. I connect because I I can't help myself, and it feels really good. And I know that it's my duty and responsibility to do. But I believe the direct result of that is the aligned people who show up in my just like you said. I don't know how it's gonna. I say that constantly. Listen, I have no idea how it's gonna work out. I just know it's gonna work out.

SPEAKER_00 34:24

Yeah, exactly. The how doesn't matter, you're certain of it.

SPEAKER_01 34:27

Sure, correct.

SPEAKER_00 34:28

That verbiage, you know, and it's the same thing, you know. We we we talk about that all the time. You just you just you know. Yes, and it doesn't, so I why do I need to explain it? It's gonna happen. Don't worry about it, it's gonna happen. Right. Just be open for it, be open to receive what's coming for you because it's gonna be amazing.

SPEAKER_01 34:42

I'm I'm ready. I feel like I'm just getting started. It's crazy though. I went through this crazy, I've been on this healing journey for seven years now, and I was frustrated and resistant, and I fought it. And then just this past, like, I don't know, it wasn't 2020. 2020 was a great year outside of the pandemic. Um, I I think it was just that craving for more and more awareness of the of what's going on. I mean, I've lost some weight, and I'm like, I'm not on a really strict diet. I talked to my breath work coach who's been instrumental with what that's where it all really started was breath work when I really started to go deep. Because as you know, that that's that's another way to really tap into the mind and go on a trip by you know hyperventilating for 45 minutes, which I do uh frequently, but that's allowed me to calm it down just a little bit, but it's increased the awareness. And I said, can can you do like does healing promote weight loss? And she said, Yeah, it does because you're more aware of what you're putting in your body. And I go, Ah, I didn't even think about it.

SPEAKER_00 35:39

And also, if you think you're unhealthy, if you think you're fat, if you think you're gaining weight, you're going to. Sure. Literally. It's again, it's frequency.

SPEAKER_01 35:45

That's why everybody says, What does that mean? I'm like, what do you want it to mean?

unknown 35:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:49

Yeah, exactly. What does it matter? It works.

SPEAKER_01 35:51

Correct. Correct. Well, Steven, I appreciate you taking some time out of your day and chat with you. This this conversation uh could go on and on, and I look forward to continuing to connect with you further. Who knows? I may end up on a trip with you next year, uh, pun intended. But I'll definitely be able to, I'll definitely be able to uh spend some quality time with you in Lexington here in a couple months. I know that you'll only be there for a short amount of time, but it's just good to be able to give you a hug and say what up and uh see you in real life. So I'm I'm really looking forward to that. And if you're listening to this right now thinking, this is so cool, and I want to follow this guy, you totally should. So make sure you connect with the links that are in the show description. And Steven, you'll have to come back soon.

SPEAKER_00 36:28

Thank you so much. I will. Thank you for having me. Steven, I'll talk to you soon. You too, brother. Me too. Bye-bye.

SPEAKER_01 36:33

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